Sunday, February 12, 2006

The British Army: Will They Never Learn?

The British Army has yet again shown its vicious underbelly with this startling video footage released by the News of the World.

The tape recording shows a group of British Soldiers in Iraq pulling young Iraqi teenagers into a compound and beating the living hell out of them.

Perhaps as disturbing is the bloodthirsty commentary of the cameraman which accompanies the footage.

It has been a common thread throughout the history of the British Army that they inflict misery upon the recipients of their Imperialistic Misadventures. It happened in India, it happened in Ireland, now it is happening in Iraq.

And it is always the weak that the British Army preys upon. In Ireland they targeted the disenfranchised nationalist community- only through the civil rights movement did nationalists gain strength, and through the SDLP did they gain a voice. Now the ‘Brits’ are leaving Ireland, only to resume inflicting misery upon another downtrodden people.

The video shows the British Army to be exactly what they are- brainless animals in uniform. We see them chase their prey like a pack of lions, picking off the weakest and attacking them mercilessly.

The time has clearly come for a root and branch revision of all levels of the British Army- a peacekeeping force which is routinely the instigator of violence is clearly not doing its job. And if it can’t do its job, it must be withdrawn from active service.

20 comments:

Parnell said...

El Matador: So this is how the British army get their medals!! This scene seems a little familiar.

El Matador said...

At least those lads getting beaten didn't get shot dead. Unlike here.

DerryTerry said...

THis is what the British Army does and what it has always done. Up there with dog bites man.

iluvni said...

'brainless animals in uniform'

what a disgusting comment from a so-called 'moderate' Nationalist....after reading this blog for 2 months though, it's entirely apparent there's not a hairs breadth between the hatred of the 'Brits' as demonstrated by Republicans and yourselves.

Shameful.

DerryTerry said...

Iluvni, but they are Republicans.

El Matador said...

iluvni-

On El Blogador we say what we see. The 'Brits' were brought in to the north to protect Catholics from loyalist porgroms- however, they soon became an extension of the unionist elective dictatorship.

You say "what a disgusting comment from a so-called 'moderate' Nationalist party" as if an adherence to peaceful methods and cooperation means that we are less against the British Army's occupation of the north of Ireland and Iraq than any other republican/ nationalist party. We have made it quite clear- we want an end to the occupation of the north of Ireland by the British Army- we have never said anything else, and we have continually called for that. Séamus Mallon's very first question to Parliament in 1986 was to ask when they were going to get out of south Armagh.

Let's be fair, the British army is proles directed by toffs. Cardwell's Army reforms only went so far. As Irish nationalists, to hold these views on the British Army is our entitlement- that is not disgusting, that is fact. I repsect that you have a different opinion, but I don't call that 'disgusting' despite Bloody Sunday etc. as I understand that you have allegiance to Britain and its army. But we don't.

Taking that into account, although we may disagree with you on many things, you are a valued contributor to this site, as it is important that all sides air their views- be they SDLP, Sinn Féin, unionist, or non-aligned.

As Irish nationalists, pitch it to us why we should change our minds on the British Army.

El Matador said...

iluvni-

On El Blogador we say what we see. The 'Brits' were brought in to the north to protect Catholics from loyalist porgroms- however, they soon became an extension of the unionist elective dictatorship.

You say "what a disgusting comment from a so-called 'moderate' Nationalist party" as if an adherence to peaceful methods and cooperation means that we are less against the British Army's occupation of the north of Ireland and Iraq than any other republican/ nationalist party. We have made it quite clear- we want an end to the occupation of the north of Ireland by the British Army- we have never said anything else, and we have continually called for that. Séamus Mallon's very first question to Parliament in 1986 was to ask when they were going to get out of south Armagh.

Let's be fair, the British army is proles directed by toffs. Cardwell's Army reforms only went so far. As Irish nationalists, to hold these views on the British Army is our entitlement- that is not disgusting, that is fact. I repsect that you have a different opinion, but I don't call that 'disgusting' despite Bloody Sunday etc. as I understand that you have allegiance to Britain and its army. But we don't.

Taking that into account, although we may disagree with you on many things, you are a valued contributor to this site, as it is important that all sides air their views- be they SDLP, Sinn Féin, unionist, or non-aligned.

As Irish nationalists, pitch it to us why we should change our minds on the British Army.

Parnell said...

iluvni: Surly your not condoning the action of those who did this, are you?

iluvni said...

No, I don't condone giving wee lads a good kicking without reason...but then again, I don't know all the facts about what happened. There appeared to be a riot going on at the time.

Let there be an Inquiry and let the facts be established, and if punishment is merited, let it be dished out.
That seems the reasonable way to do things.

Perhaps it won't satisfy the foaming at the mouth massed ranks of Brit-haters like yourselves, but that's life, isn't it!

(Funny that Seamus Mallon's words are hauled out now, when subsequent, much more important comments he made about power-sharing with Republicans, have been conveniently ignored by sdlp politicians in the last few years)!

El Matador said...

iluvni-

"Perhaps it won't satisfy the foaming at the mouth massed ranks of Brit-haters like yourselves, but that's life, isn't it!"

That's a sweeping statement. I have no gripe with the British nation, nor individual members of that nation, but I do resent British troops being on Irish soil. There is a big difference.

"Funny that Seamus Mallon's words are hauled out now, when subsequent, much more important comments he made about power-sharing with Republicans, have been conveniently ignored by sdlp politicians in the last few years!"

Em- I think you'll find that the SDLP is quite happy to share power with what you term as 'republicans'. Sure that's one of the main gripes you have with the authors of this site, that we want to share power with the provos! Since when did the SDLP ever ignore the fact that it wants an all-inclusive power-sharing executive? That's one of its key policies!

BTW- the video quite clearly shows the troops dragging those youngsters back and beating them. Inquiry or not, there is no justification for it. Who the hell do they think they are going into Iraq and then beating the shit out of them, and who the hell is that idiot behind the camera?! >:(

iluvni said...

'...but I do resent British troops being on Irish soil.'

Are you a student at the 'Smiling Joe Kennedy' school of talking through your hat? Any British troops stationed in Northern Ireland are already on their own British soil.
When are Nationalists going to come to terms with reality?...clearly you are a long way away if that comment is to be taken as anything more than nonsense.
(Perhaps such a Nationalist mindset explains why Durkan and McLaughlin were so lamentably poor arguing with Dennis Kennedy on H&M last week)

I note you also contrive to avoid what you know I was getting at with my reference to Seamus Mallon's comment.

Trust is a very fragile commodity in our 'peace process'. From my point of view, as a Unionist, I find the more I read this blog the more my worst susp[icions are cofirmed, and this disappoints me.
I hoped to see a difference in moral decency between those who'd support the republican way of attaining their goals, and the 'moderate' democratic Nationalist way of going about things.
I'm afraid I just don't see it.
Two sides of the same coin unfortunately.
It's Brits-out whatever way you look at it.

El Matador said...

iluvni-

Hold on a minute, instead of sanctimonious 'talking-down' to those who don't happen to love the old-school pro-union love-in, explain to me what exactly you mean by "I hoped to see a difference in moral decency between those who'd support the republican way of attaining their goals, and the 'moderate' democratic Nationalist way of going about things." Are you saying that we do, or have ever, supported violence?! That is absolute rubbish, and you know it. As provos will quite happily point out, we continually hold their movement up to scrutiny for their 'policies'. To try and equate our commitment to the goal of a united Ireland with support for the underhand and violent methods of the provos sickens every fibre of my being. Damn right I'm fucking proud to be Irish and committed to a united Ireland, but NOBODY is going to tell me that that makes me morally subversive or reprehesible. Do you have ANY understanding WHATSOEVER of nationalism. You know fine rightly what I represent, and to try and lump me and my allies in with other groups in one fell swoop for no other reason than the fact that we support a united Ireland angers me greatly.

What exactly do you want? We are not the unionist party- I, as an Irish Nationalist stand proud for the ideals of a 32-county democratic republic. That doesn't make me a provo. That doesn't make me bad. You preach on about us not caring about unionism. What understanding have you shown whatsoever for our nationalist viewpoint? You just expect us to roll over and play ball. Sorry- but that ain't gonna happen. The old Stormont is dead. As a democrat and one who is committed to the Good Friday Agreement, I accept your wish to be seen as British, and when a united Ireland comes to pass, I will work to ensure that the GFA remains in place as I do not believe that unionists should be forced into a united Ireland without the safeguards of powersharing that the GFA affords. But that commitment to powersharing most certainly does not dilute my commitment to the Irish nation. This is the Island of Ireland, not the Island of Britain. Partition happened, but the northern counties were not lifted and crudely stuck to the side of Scotland. No amount of political engineering changes geography. We may be part of the UK, but this is still the Island of Ireland, and I will work until this is realised not only geographically but politically.

Yes I think Sinn Féin should be in government. not because I support them, but on the contrary, becuase when it gets down to brass tacks, I think the electorate will see through them and realise they are not as great as the purport to be. However, when unionists demand exclusion a) we'll get nowhere, and b) the provos will continue to play the victim of the 'bad old unionists'. Do you really think this will get us anywhere. Much to my dismay Sinn Féin were democratically elected, but I accept their mandate. Following from this, I hope that the electorate will democratically choose to switch their allegiance back to the SDLP. But that is their choice, not our's.

I am committed to democracy in its full form, and I am committed to a unite Ireland. I WILL NOT APOLOGISE FOR THAT. And I will not be accused by anyone of moral abandonment simply because I hold those views.

iluvni said...

do you support violence....NO
do you condone violence....NO
Have I called you a Provo..NO

Right, now that's cleared up, let's get into the meat of the subject!

Does the attitude of sdlp give Sinn fein a green light to continue criminality?...YES, 100% damn right YES

Instead of getting all precious on me, answer the question you challenged me to pose and which you wouldn't then answer...

let me put it again:

Are there any circumstances ever under which sdlp would (as Seamus Mallon promised) stand with Unionists and Alliance political representatives in an Executive, where Sinn fein have been suspended?

You constantly tell us about Sinn Fein's mandate, which is all well and good, but with that mandate comes a responsibility to democratic pronciples only. When they fail, as they clearly have and continue to, as far as I see, sdlp will ALWAYS continue to call for their inclusion in Government.
Unless you explain to me otherwise, there can be no other conclusion why this is so other than sdlp feel closer politically to undemocratic Republicans than they do democratic Alliance and Unionist politicians.

The Belfast Agreement allowed for the suspension of those who failed to live up to democratic requirements. Why won't sdlp take that step? That's where the moral cowardice come in.

Jo said...

It is perfectly legitimate to criticise the actions of British soldiers without being classed as a "Brit hater"

Am I a Brit hater for carrying similar criticism on JOBLOG? Wash your mouth out!

The Army reputation can only be preserved by ruthlessly expunging and punishing bad behaviour which to a reasonably person this video appears to depict.

What kind of loyalty is it when you defend apparent wrong doing?

Is Lord Saville a Provo? Wash it out again, after you take your big ignorant Ulsta foot out of it!

iluvni said...

Perhaps you ought to have a read my comments carefully before you go on one of your liberal rants!
I haven't defended any British Army wrongdoing in Iraq.

Where's your comment on ALL British soldiers being labelled 'brainless animals in uniform'...where's your comment on the sentiments expressed about 'British troops on Irish soil' ?

Why do you sidestep outrageous comments such as those, Jo?

Jo said...

Theyre not outrageous, they're POVs of an Irish Nationalist.

"it's entirely apparent there's not a hairs breadth between the hatred of the 'Brits' as demonstrated by Republicans and yourselves.

Shameful."

Yabba Dabba Doo, eh, iluv?

iluvni said...

Roll over and play dumb, eh?

Jo said...

Whenever you stop condensing the views of nationalists and republicans into Brit-haters iluv, you'll stop being dumb and stop projecting an image into the internet of unionists being dumb. God knows that Unionism gets a bad enough image out there with other sites - without your silliness.

iluvni said...

here, hold on a momentito..
if Nationalists on this site decide it appropriate to label all British soldiers as 'brainless animals in uniform', what sort of Unionist would refuse to comment upon it...or even worse, agree with the sentiment?

Those British soldiers laid their lives down for all of us here in Northern Ireland for 3 decades against the worst paramilitary scum could throw at us.
They deserve our respect.

Unfortunately you don't appear to have that in you.

Lee said...

Oh please.

Same old Paddy’s, same old crap. One might have thought 30 years of ponsing from a British funded EU might have led you to become slightly more level-headed, but no; you still can't see through the myopic fantasies of your Guinness fuelled immaturity.

"And it is always the weak that the British Army preys upon".

Need not mention that the British Army, still the direct descendants of Cromwell's New Model Army, carved from the sod that is humanity, the largest Alumni and Empire in history; the only beacon of Reason and Progression since Rome. Need we mention the Red coated hero of all young boys stood monolithically as the sole guardian on the entire Judeo-Christian civilisation? In the same war whereafter you more than happily gave the ‘good ol boys’ of the SS a jolly game of footy?

"...now it is happening in Iraq."

Oh aren't you quite the new Europeans? So what, from the view of the contempory Bourgeoisie Irishman, should be done with Saddam and all the Reich’s of Islam? Perhaps this mess, 9/11 included, could have been solved if we'd simply invited them around for afternoon tea?

"Now the ‘Brits’ are leaving Ireland."

Awh, bless.