Tuesday, February 14, 2006

Proposals Benefit Everyone


The Nationalist SDLP has taken the ball from under the two governments with their proposals for extraordinary collaboration across Ireland together with the same judges, law enforcement, and detention centre officers operational in both jurisdictions. For the first time it is expected to have an all-Ireland sex offender' register, the same training courses for Garda and Police Service of Northern Ireland recruits, and an all-Ireland Law Commission to endorse harmonisation of laws between North and South and for hospitals on both sides of the Border to pool assets to purchase equipment which would otherwise be too expensive in each jurisdiction. Cross-Border cooperation is being stalled by the delay of the North's political institutions and it's now time to take action. The parties’ proposals for an all-Ireland Criminal Assets Bureau to deal with paramilitary and other crime more successfully, and an all-Ireland Public Safety Body to cut the amount of accidents and deaths on Border roads "The SDLP has come up with real, practical ways to increase co-operation to improve life for all on this island," he said. "Often, there is too much theoretical nationalism so we have concentrated on bringing benefits to the ordinary person on the street.

Let me say plainly, this document is not about getting one over on unionists. If something won't work for both communities, they haven’t suggested it. But lets get realistic it’s in relation to the economy, learning, healthcare, and policing and integrity, there are huge opportunities to develop joint services in a new and exciting way. Allowing police and justice people to work on both sides of the Border would influence the sharing of good practice; it would assist in the conflict the under-representation in the North's criminal justice system. The Criminal Assets Bureau together with the North's Assets Recovery Agency would be more successful with joint teams of officers working on investigations. It's also suggesting an all-Ireland Intelligence Agency to combat paramilitaries and an all-Ireland sex offenders' register is urgently needed following after recent cases where sex offenders had evaded supervision after crossing the Border. Workers and business people need a variety of measures to ensure that living in one jurisdiction and working or running a business in the other more possible. These include removing tax barriers imposed on cross-Border workers, reducing cross-Border banking and insurance charges, and an integrated postal service. The Taoiseach’s decision to include Northern businesses in the recent trade mission to India could be the beginning in a new North-South trade mission that must become common practice. One further thing of note it is entirely offensive that child poverty levels, North and South, are among the highest in Europe.

19 comments:

iluvni said...

zzzzzzzz.
creeping AI by stealth.

When's the sdlp going to go 32 county by the way?

Parnell said...

iluvni: Stealth! don't talk rubbish! What is your problem with equality and fairness. Do you see something wrong with law and order, business oppertunity. You would want sex offenders or criminal gangs getting away with their crimes. Is there something wrong with better transport, health, education and welth creating infrastructure?

Jo said...

I dont see any problem with this at all. My identity is not being submerged or threatened, I have long thought that co-operation for mutual benefit is sensible and opposition to it in principle is completely ostrich-politicking.

To refuse to co-operate againt criminality goes further than that it is downright bloody stupid!

In recent times I have become aware that large part of Newry & Mourne is effectivey a Euro-zone anyway and increasingly only those living some way from the former *frontier* can maintain a distance from or opposition to sensible co-operation between north and south.

One question though: Why am I so feckin reasonable? lol

Simon said...

Thanks parnell for visiting my blog.
Firstly i think the co-operation will be good for the North. Like i argued back on my blog. Maybe the south can inject some dynanism into the northern economy.

Secondly.
One further thing of note it is entirely offensive that child poverty levels, North and South, are among the highest in Europe.
That figure is often based on realative poverty figures. Which say 30% of childern are at risk of realative poverty. If you extended that across to the EU 15 5% of childern are at risk of realative poverty. It is all statisticall maniplulation by certain people.
30% of childern are not at risk. That figures comes from the fact that Ireland has a high percentage of big earners then the rest of Europe. The sad thing is agencies using those figures hid the real childern in poverty.

Parnell said...

Thanks Jo: I don't think anyone should feel threatened by these proposals at all, on the contrary, the proposals if properly implimented will benefit all. "Why are you so fecken reasonable"? Dunno; but you have all the charistics, the profile and the gender balance of someone I'm looking for! Want a membership form do you?

The Saint: Firstly I am happy to visit your site it has reached a degree of excellence rarly found on the Irish blogsphere well written,no hidden agendo and to the point.

Statisticall manipulation by certain people apart, even if we agree on EUs lower suggested figure of 15.5%, it is a gap which could and should be narrowed with immeniate effect.

El Matador said...

Saint-

I posted a rather wordy reply to your post over on Dossing Times.

El Matador said...

Parnell-

This is great stuff from the SDLP. It is wholly agreeable and sensible, and shows that rather than useless plastic paddy rhetoric which is usually spouted forth from certain groups who claim to support a united Ireland, the SDLP is presented a coherent and progressive policy an pan-Irish cooperation. I defy anyone to actually specify and specific part of their proposals which would not be to the mutual benefit of all of society on both sides of the border.

Sean said...

Excellent now we have the two main nationalist/republican finally campainging for a united ireland. Its time to rebuild the nationalist consensus and finally deliver on this project. John Hume and Gerry Adams both understood the importnance of unity when developing the peace process and knew that the British would listen to a unified nationalist voice quicker than a solitary voice.

Parnell said...

El Matador: And its not only our site singing the praise. The Daily's are buzzing with column inchs and editorials. The hearts and minds we have been winning started with a ripple now its a tidal wave, as we predicted. BTW I got the hair cut from that pic was done. rlol.

Jo said...

"I defy anyone to actually specify and specific part of their proposals which would not be to the mutual benefit of all of society on both sides of the border."

Well when you get this attitude:

"Nationalists are de facto, if not de jure, unfit for ANY form of Government. Why? Because they seek to destroy the State, ergo they cannot be trusted to do anything in Government."

...it shows what youre up against, in 2006, not 1886, mind you. We're not all like that, thank fcuk.

El Matador said...

Parnell-

I agree, I will be posting a thread shortly on that point. It may overlap slightly with yours, but its such an important story that we should make sure we get the message across about how good it could be for everyone on Ireland if the contents of this document were to be implemented.

Simon said...

Firstly I am happy to visit your site it has reached a degree of excellence rarly found on the Irish blogsphere well written,no hidden agendo and to the point.

Thanks :) but maybe i have a hidden agenda so hidden i don't know it yet.:-)

El Blogador is one of my new must reads . Well done on all invoved. it is nice to see a sites that discuss the Issues rather then saying this [insert issue here] is wrong because Gerry Adams/Ian Paisley is evil.

Parnell said...

Saint: On behalf of my esteemed colleague El Matador and myself Parnell welcome to your new must read. If you have an unknown hidden agenda keep visiting us for a while we may be able to suss it out.

To all our new visitors, we have increased our visitor numbers month on month, since we began nearly six months ago you are very welcome. Feel free to comment.

iluvni said...

Parnell,

I assume this is the one you want answered?

iluvni: Stealth! don't talk rubbish! What is your problem with equality and fairness.

No problem with that concept whatsoever. Are there any areas of life in NI, where you, as a Nationalist, suffer unfairness or inequality as compared to me, a Unionist.
As a Unionist though, I'd have a right difficult time joining the PSNI at the minute, or getting a job teaching in an RC school, or with the GAA! They never posted me out an application for the County coaching jobs in the Belfast Telegraph a few months ago! (I was interested in reading the job spec!!!)

'Do you see something wrong with law and order, business oppertunity.
You would want sex offenders or criminal gangs getting away with their crimes. Is there something wrong with better transport, health, education and welth creating infrastructure? '

No problems with co-operation between neighbours but let's get Northern ireland sorted first.

There's one overrriding issue though...When is the sdlp and Nationalism as a whole going to come to terms with the consent principle?..at the moment it's lip service at the very most.
What do sdlp think you are going to achieve with this paper anyhow?
We all know the peace is very fragile, we all know Unionism is at the very best lukewarm about trusting Nationalism, due primarily to the 3 times we were let down in Government, and the continual refusal of sdlp to have the balls to work with those committed to democratic means only.

Time and time again we get comments about all-Ireland dimensions for this and that from sdlp politicos, trying to out green Sinn fein. I've mentioned the ramblings of Dallat before.
Where's it getting you?..where's it getting Northern Ireland?
Nowhere fast.

Why is there no rush from the Republic of Ireland parties to produce these ridiculous position papers. They aren't fucking interested in the North, that's why. They are getting on with developing their economy and dealing with such related issues.
Meanwhile we have you lot babbling on about cross border this and that, trying to convince yourselves that anyone down there gives a fiddlers.

Your day isn't coming yet. As Hume said, you need to unite the people first before you unite the island...you might convince Jo, but I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find any other Unionist welcoming your proposals at this time.
(DV called me a liberal today, so your dealing with the easy touch side of Unionism apparently, lol!)

Jo said...

Iluv:

So much the worse for other unionists! But thank you for at least not dismissing my views with th contempt of others.

I am not necessarily convinced, but at least I listen. Thats because I try and take an intelligent approach to politics, not bury my neck in sand and whinge endlessly and impotently.

Speaking of which, as you brought that person up, I wouldnt put too much store by a bigot calling you a liberal, as everyone bar he and his fellow bigots are called that, its utterly meaningless and empty, bit like himself. The clock is ticking and some people havent leanred to tell the time yet.

Parnell said...

Iluvni: Read the above comment, I concur with this exception. Please don't think I don't engage with all shades of political opinion and that includes every type of Unionism. I do have a day job and I am dyed in the wool Nationalist.

The real politics of deal and comprimise is not done in the Chambers but in the side rooms and halls. I can honestly tell you that despite the hullaballoo in the media when you cut through the fog. The most hardened politicians still exchange pleasanteries...Milk-Sugar ILUVNI?.

El Matador said...

"Milk-Sugar ILUVNI"

Heh-heh. iluvni just takes milk- no sugar. I had them over for an old natter and some biccies the other night and reminisced about old times when they used to spray us with water-cannon and rubber bullets. Ah, the good old days ;)

iluvni said...

Disappointing that you won't debate the issues on your blog though.

1 sugar please.

Parnell said...

iluvni: I did debate it. You did,nt like the reply - now would you like soimething stronger. It's the walkouts ILUVNI ice and lemon?